I decree...

Nova ends promptly when you get to the old stone mill off of I-66, just past Manassas.
Also, The southern boundary ends where the HOV lanes end. The SouthWest corner extends 1 mile past Manassas park.
North and East boundaries end at the waterline of the Potomac.

The border changes constantly. Used to be nothing outside the beltway, then nothing beyond Fairfax county, soon it'll be anything this side of Richmond and all the way to the West VA line.

NOVAnians keep moving further and further out so they can afford their inexplicably giant homes.

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> NOVAnians keep moving further and further out so
> they can afford their inexplicably giant homes.


I thought is was normal to have 900 sqft of bathroom space, isn't it?

Draw a semi-circle starting from Dale City, go clockwise through Gainesville, and then up to Leesburg. Stuff that's outside of that isn't in NoVA, IMO.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Draw a semi-circle starting from Dale City, go
> clockwise through Gainesville, and then up to
> Leesburg. Stuff that's outside of that isn't in
> NoVA, IMO.



This map is what I consider to be NOVA; however, most agencies, for statistical purposes, include Fauquier and Stafford counties as well.
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Purceville, Middleberg? hmmm....

I'd accept this

Cutting off Leesburg is wayyy tight. There a fair amount of stuff 5 or 7 miles west of Leesburg.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

About ten years ago only the area in green was considered Nova. PWC and Loudon seem far out.

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Cutting off Leesburg is wayyy tight. There a fair
> amount of stuff 5 or 7 miles west of Leesburg.

By that logic, anything that exists should be considered NoVa. There's plenty of stuff in say, NYC, but that doesn't mean it should be NoVa. ;-)

Seems to make sense though for the top part of the state to be considered NoVa. I have my doubts about some of the southern counties even wanting to be considered a part of NoVa. The Virginia tourism people seem to think Rappahannock, Culpeper, Spotsylvania, and Caroline counties are part of NoVa.

Lets get back to basics folks! PW and Loudoun County are NOT NOVA!!! JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FURTHER OUT DOESNT MEAN THE BOUNDARIES MOVE WITH THEM!

bottom line, arlingon, alexandria and FFX county are the true Northern VA. if you cant afford those areas, then too f'ing bad!

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Cutting off Leesburg is wayyy tight. There a fair
> amount of stuff 5 or 7 miles west of Leesburg.


Certainly there is, but nothing I'd consider NOVA. Western Virginia, sure. But not "NOVA". The only reason I didn't cut off PWC entirely is because of what Johnny Walker said above.

Having lived in N Va all my life and watching the population expand over the years, I agree with TheMeeper.

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That's not a ladybug, that's a cannapiller.

For the Loudoun, I'd say US-15 is the western edge, but you can grab all of Leesburg if you want.

Leesburg used to be a day trip, now it's a remote suburb...

FFX gal Wrote:
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> Lets get back to basics folks! PW and Loudoun
> County are NOT NOVA!!! JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE
> DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FURTHER OUT DOESNT
> MEAN THE BOUNDARIES MOVE WITH THEM!
>
> bottom line, arlingon, alexandria and FFX county
> are the true Northern VA. if you cant afford those
> areas, then too f'ing bad!

I have been trying to find a legitimate reason to disown Manassas for years now, I have always kinda included them as a consolation prize, something to keep us grounded with the common folk... Our Bridge to reality, if you will.

But, I would not be opposed to simply using all of the natural boundaries either. We take the Potomac to the North and East, Bull run cuts our PWC ties to the west; From there, we can just give Woodbridge and anything south of the Occoquan back to the South.

Shadow Wrote:
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> Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cutting off Leesburg is wayyy tight. There a
> fair
> > amount of stuff 5 or 7 miles west of Leesburg.
>
> By that logic, anything that exists should be
> considered NoVa. There's plenty of stuff in say,
> NYC, but that doesn't mean it should be NoVa.
> ;-)
>
New York City is in a state called New York. Purcellville is in Virginia. Big difference.

> Seems to make sense though for the top part of the
> state to be considered NoVa. I have my doubts
> about some of the southern counties even wanting
> to be considered a part of NoVa. The Virginia
> tourism people seem to think Rappahannock,
> Culpeper, Spotsylvania, and Caroline counties are
> part of NoVa.

You would think that Northern Virginia would include parts of NORTHERN Virginia - e.g. Leesburg, Purcellville, Paeonian Springs, etc.

The Bureau of the Census defines the NoVa geographic area as:

Arlington County
Clarke County
Fairfax County
Fauquier County
Frederick County
Loudoun County
Prince William County
Spotsylvania County
Stafford County
Warren County

City of Alexandria
City of Fairfax
City of Falls Church
City of Fredericksburg
City of Manassas
City of Manassas Park

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Anywhere that requires emissions inspection. Counties of Fairfax, Arlington, Prince William, Loudoun and Stafford. As well as Alexandria, Falls Church, Etc.

As President Number 44, I vow to put an end to the Easter Egg Roll.

It's stupid and it's a waste of money.

Next? ...

Hell no! We not considering Manassas as part of NOVA!!!! I will not stand for that!

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Fredericksburg does not count. Not at all. Dear lord..

FFX gal Wrote:
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> Lets get back to basics folks! PW and Loudoun
> County are NOT NOVA!!! JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE
> DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FURTHER OUT DOESNT
> MEAN THE BOUNDARIES MOVE WITH THEM!
>
> bottom line, arlingon, alexandria and FFX county
> are the true Northern VA. if you cant afford those
> areas, then too f'ing bad!

Please, idiot. We moved out of FFX to a much bigger and better house in Loudoun. This is not 1960, it's 2011. There are over 300,000 people in Loudoun now, most of whom could live in FFX or "arlingon" if they wanted.

I consider NoVA as those areas that are culturally and economically similar to Fairfax County.

I like G&S's map, with maybe a little more west because those areas are now slowly but surely resembling the rest of NoVA.

JBass Wrote:
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> FFX gal Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lets get back to basics folks! PW and Loudoun
> > County are NOT NOVA!!! JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE
> > DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FURTHER OUT DOESNT
> > MEAN THE BOUNDARIES MOVE WITH THEM!
> >
> > bottom line, arlingon, alexandria and FFX
> county
> > are the true Northern VA. if you cant afford
> those
> > areas, then too f'ing bad!
>
> I have been trying to find a legitimate reason to
> disown Manassas for years now, I have always kinda
> included them as a consolation prize, something to
> keep us grounded with the common folk... Our
> Bridge to reality, if you will.
>
> But, I would not be opposed to simply using all of
> the natural boundaries either. We take the
> Potomac to the North and East, Bull run cuts our
> PWC ties to the west; From there, we can just
> give Woodbridge and anything south of the Occoquan
> back to the South.

You're too late -- Woodbridge has a Wegmans.

Bob in Southeast Loudoun Wrote:
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> FFX gal Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lets get back to basics folks! PW and Loudoun
> > County are NOT NOVA!!! JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE
> > DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FURTHER OUT DOESNT
> > MEAN THE BOUNDARIES MOVE WITH THEM!
> >
> > bottom line, arlingon, alexandria and FFX
> county
> > are the true Northern VA. if you cant afford
> those
> > areas, then too f'ing bad!
>
> Please, idiot. We moved out of FFX to a much
> bigger and better house in Loudoun. This is not
> 1960, it's 2011. There are over 300,000 people in
> Loudoun now, most of whom could live in FFX or
> "arlingon" if they wanted.


As Bob noted...

As of 2007, Loudoun County has the highest median household income of any county in the United States ($107,207), beating neighboring Fairfax County, Virginia ($105,241).

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

fairfax co.
Prince William co. uptill manassas park
loundon co. uptill leesburg

I always felt 15 was the western boundary myself - or maybe a mile or two out from it.

Southern boundary is the Aquia Harbor/Garrisonville exit

How about the far reaches of Nova (NVCC)'s campuses are the boundaries.

KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
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> How about the far reaches of Nova (NVCC)'s
> campuses are the boundaries.
>

that map really does bring it home to reality.

ok, so 234 up to 66 back east to 28, 28 up to 7 and the river as a Northern Boundary, is that it? With Leesburg and Stafford as some sorta outposts or whatever? Or do they not even count, I dunno.

Discuss

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > How about the far reaches of Nova (NVCC)'s
> > campuses are the boundaries.
> >
>
> that map really does bring it home to reality.
>
> ok, so 234 up to 66 back east to 28, 28 up to 7
> and the river as a Northern Boundary, is that it?
> With Leesburg and Stafford as some sorta outposts
> or whatever? Or do they not even count, I dunno.
>
> Discuss


28 to the river excludes Dulles airport, I need Dulles included. Also All of centreville and Clifton that may be excluded in Gordons post above. I would say the same about anything Chantilly as well.

South Riding, I'd say so. Ashburn and all of Leesburg will have to argue thier cases.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2011 10:46PM by JBass.

I've been in this area my entire life. Raised in Fairfax. Now in Prince William.

I guess it's just me, but I've never considered any area past the bridge (going south into Woodbridge), as being part of what's considered Northern Virginia.

Are we talking about NOVA, as in the geographical area of Northern Virginia? Or NOVA, as in the sterotypical NOVA? If we are talking about the geographic term, then the boundaries would extend all the way to Warren County and towards the WV line (and as far south as Fredericksburg). If we are talking about the sterotypical NOVA, then I would say the western boundary is drawn at Haymarket.

JBass Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > KeepOnTruckin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > How about the far reaches of Nova (NVCC)'s
> > > campuses are the boundaries.
> > >
> >
> > that map really does bring it home to reality.
> >
> > ok, so 234 up to 66 back east to 28, 28 up to 7
> > and the river as a Northern Boundary, is that
> it?
> > With Leesburg and Stafford as some sorta
> outposts
> > or whatever? Or do they not even count, I
> dunno.
> >
> > Discuss
>
>
> 28 to the river excludes Dulles airport, I need
> Dulles included. Also All of centreville and
> Clifton that may be excluded in Gordons post
> above. I would say the same about anything
> Chantilly as well.
>
> South Riding, I'd say so. Ashburn and all of
> Leesburg will have to argue thief cases.

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Close outposts such as Dulles, Centerville, and Chantilly, are included, of course

Clifton is already inside the 28 "blanket" so no worries there

@ Moose - I understand what yr saying, but to exclude Woodbridge and Dale City from NOVA really isnt fair - it would be like telling the adopted kids that they arent really members of the family, y'know? LoLz

anywho, in less than 10 years, we are all gonna have to have a serious talk about Fredricksburg and Charles Town, y'know........................

This is how I would define it.
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slaves Wrote:
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> This is how I would define it.


I'm thinking you win, my friend

anybody gotta problem with the map?

p.s. Gotta love the Maryland/DC "homie"

LoLz



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/25/2011 10:48PM by Gordon Blvd.

I could buy this map as being valid. Leesburg and South Riding have to be in. Same with Dumfries and Dale City.

The southern cutoff is probably Quantico Marine base.

I would add Gainesville/Haymarket to the Nova list with Route 15 being the western border up to about Leesburg, then a bubble around Leesburg.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

slaves Wrote:
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> This is how I would define it.


I love the "Shades of Grey" You cut it pretty clear at the PW county parkway and 15 north. With the metro on the way to Reston, all of Leesburg gets the nod. Manassas and Gainesville slip in under the Old Stone Mill Rule that applies on 66... You know the place, big curve in the highway, Jersey wall in the middle and those green reflector posts on top.

Slaves, looks good to me.

Interesting, looking at the map, how big Dulles Airport is....

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Interesting, looking at the map, how big Dulles
> Airport is....

yes its huge. you could fit the entire town of herndon and more inside it
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Yah, each of the 18/36 runways is 11,500 feet in length.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Now if they had gone ahead and built the airport on Burke Lake Park, there sure would be a lot less houses in the South County Area. Maybe so many less that there would be no issue with Clifton ES closing. (Somebody who is good with 'shop want to superimpose that?)

I've always considered NoVa to be Fairfax, Alexandria, Arlington, and maybe Loudoun (More so recently, but always questionable), that's it.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

FFX gal Wrote:
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> Lets get back to basics folks! PW and Loudoun
> County are NOT NOVA!!! JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE
> DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FURTHER OUT DOESNT
> MEAN THE BOUNDARIES MOVE WITH THEM!

+1, but I do think Ashburn is NoVA. Any map you see in this thread that includes Manassas is wrong. Manassas is a southern Virginia city. Same with Woodbridge, Dale City and Leesburg. So Fairfax County, Arlington County, Alexandria, and Loudoun's area of 28 corridor to route 7.

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Gainesville and Purcellville are now NOVA. Manassas is and forever will be ROVA.

Warrenton may or may not already be NOVA, but never Manasty.

Excellent job, slaves.

justsayin Wrote:
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> FFX gal Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lets get back to basics folks! PW and Loudoun
> > County are NOT NOVA!!! JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE
> > DECIDED THEY WANTED TO MOVE FURTHER OUT DOESNT
> > MEAN THE BOUNDARIES MOVE WITH THEM!
>
> +1, but I do think Ashburn is NoVA. Any map you
> see in this thread that includes Manassas is
> wrong. Manassas is a southern Virginia city.
> Same with Woodbridge, Dale City and Leesburg. So
> Fairfax County, Arlington County, Alexandria, and
> Loudoun's area of 28 corridor to route 7.


That sounds about right.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

I like slaves pic but hoodbridge and dale city should be excluded

props to slaves. that map does well with me.

Slaves, you win +10 internets

to all the redneck haters - quit denying that hillbillies are a part of NoVA - they always have been, always will be.

in other words: whether you like it or not, Feebsburg, Manasshole, Hoodbridge, and Fail City ALL ARE INCLUDED in the family - cant exclude them simply cause you dont like them. >:p

Sure I can exclude them... I did so a couple of posts before yours. NoVA != rednecks, it's just a fact.

justsayin Wrote:
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> Sure I can exclude them... I did so a couple of
> posts before yours. NoVA != rednecks, it's just a
> fact.

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yeah, but I just glued them back in LoLz

and you just backed me up on it:

"NoVA != rednecks, it's just a fact."

so there!

nyah nyah nee boo boo :)
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At this point, I think you can consider just about everything North of the Rappahannock River as part of NoVa. There are so many commuters and retired government contractors throughout these areas that you might as well lump them in as well.

CapWatcher Wrote:
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> At this point, I think you can consider just about
> everything North of the Rappahannock River as part
> of NoVa. There are so many commuters and retired
> government contractors throughout these areas that
> you might as well lump them in as well.


Damn relevant card. The We built this city rule. Hmmm..... Possibly we should consider temporary exceptions to carry these people over till (shall I say) the time of the Super-NOVA?

Kinda like getting them through the gap on the doughnut hole of prescription meds on Medicade?

Commute from Fredericksburg. Egad. How the fuck does one even begin to plan for contingencies when 1) 6 inches of snow falls, 2) VRE is cancelled or 3) tanker overturns in the mixing bowl?

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

CapWatcher Wrote:
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> At this point, I think you can consider just about
> everything North of the Rappahannock River as part
> of NoVa. There are so many commuters and retired
> government contractors throughout these areas that
> you might as well lump them in as well.


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if we are going to include Fredricksburg, then that makes Five Points (the last 17 exit) the southern boundary. That's a MIGHTY big "if" on that one, my friend.

And if we are gonna ad Fredricksburg, then we are going to have to add Warrenton and Culpeper too.

I see them more as outposts of civilization more than anything else. Too much rural in between them and NoVA - no offense to them. They are simply too far out. I mean, yeah - they are part of the DC Metro region, sure. But to call them NoVA is really kinda stretching it.

And I'm guessing most of the ppl who live there would agree - cause if you live out there, you are trying to be AS FAR AWAY from living in NoVA as possible LoLz

You are, but a lot of them are insane enough to commute in every day.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Manassas is a political enclave of Front Royal. I think physical barriers prevent the NOVA culture from spreading. There are clear breaks. North Prince William is blocked by the battlefield. I think the map is pretty accurate. On the size of Dulles, when it was laid out as they were expecting it to serve as a space port once space planes got up and running. Also for calculating the WMA, they use political jurisdictions where over 50% of the people work in the core. So those outer counties count because a majority of their working people commute to Fairfax and D.C. I have trouble counting Loudoun as part of NOVA. There are a lot of people there, but there isn't any jobs there. The economic heart of NOVA is still the old core of Fairfax, Arlington and Alexandria. If a nuke took out Loudoun, Fairfax would still exist, If a nuke took out Fairfax, neither Fairfax or Loudoun would exist. Loudoun is the big order of fries, you can include it but it isn't necessary to have a complete meal.

In years past, Herdon, Chantilly, Centreville and Reston were hick enclaves - some miles from the core. They are all now fully integrated in the core - as are places like Ashburn and Sterling.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> In years past, Herdon, Chantilly, Centreville and
> Reston were hick enclaves - some miles from the
> core. They are all now fully integrated in the
> core - as are places like Ashburn and Sterling.
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heck, Fairfax was a hick enclave back only 30 yrs ago.

and in 15-20 years, Fredricksburg, Warrenton, and Culpeper will prolly becinsidered true NoVA, not just outposts

can't change the tide of history, y'know?

30 years ago was 1981. City of Fairfax was well integrated then.

Manasshole was still Manasshole.

Champion Wrote:
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> Manassas is a political enclave of Front Royal. I
> think physical barriers prevent the NOVA culture
> from spreading. There are clear breaks. North
> Prince William is blocked by the battlefield. I
> think the map is pretty accurate. On the size of
> Dulles, when it was laid out as they were
> expecting it to serve as a space port once space
> planes got up and running. Also for calculating
> the WMA, they use political jurisdictions where
> over 50% of the people work in the core. So those
> outer counties count because a majority of their
> working people commute to Fairfax and D.C. I have
> trouble counting Loudoun as part of NOVA. There
> are a lot of people there, but there isn't any
> jobs there. The economic heart of NOVA is still
> the old core of Fairfax, Arlington and Alexandria.
> If a nuke took out Loudoun, Fairfax would still
> exist, If a nuke took out Fairfax, neither Fairfax
> or Loudoun would exist. Loudoun is the big order
> of fries, you can include it but it isn't
> necessary to have a complete meal.

There are two large campuses out there: Verizon (formerly UUNet/MCI/Worldcom) and Raytheon (formerly AOL). That in and of itself isn't enough, but there are so many jobs centered along 28 and 267 that Loudoun isn't far off. So yes, they commute to Fairfax, but many just commute to the western edges of Fairfax, not necessarily DC (although many do that too).

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> In years past, Herdon, Chantilly, Centreville and
> Reston were hick enclaves - some miles from the
> core. They are all now fully integrated in the
> core - as are places like Ashburn and Sterling.


You'd have to go really far back to have Reston being a hick enclave. Even 35 years ago, when there were still dirt roads and only a handful of stoplights, the people here weren't hicks. Interestingly enough, Herndon still has a hick grouping, though.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

The Post has a new blog called The State of NoVa that cuts it off at the Loudoun and Prince William borders.

"The State of NoVa is four counties and one city – Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William and Alexandria – comprising 2 million diverse and dazzling people, in every setting from the densely packed apartment complexes of Alexandria to the great wide open of western Loudoun. It’s not like DC, it’s not like Maryland, and it sure ain’t like the rest of Virginia."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-nova/post/about-this-blog/2011/04/03/AFySfLVC_blog.html

Sane Person Wrote:
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> The Post has a new blog called The State of NoVa
> that cuts it off at the Loudoun and Prince William
> borders.
>
> "The State of NoVa is four counties and one city
> – Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William
> and Alexandria – comprising 2 million diverse
> and dazzling people, in every setting from the
> densely packed apartment complexes of Alexandria
> to the great wide open of western Loudoun. It’s
> not like DC, it’s not like Maryland, and it sure
> ain’t like the rest of Virginia."
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-state-of-n
> ova/post/about-this-blog/2011/04/03/AFySfLVC_blog.
> html

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Yeah, but Western Loudoun isnt NoVa - more like the "rest of Virginia" LoLz

and Western Prince William (which, oddly enough, is north of Haymarket) is the same

anything past 15 is most CERTAINLY not NoVa, with the exception of the immediate Leesburg area

I again defer to Slave's map - which is the most accurate description of NoVA "proper" that I've seen in a long time

Sane Person Wrote:
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>
> "The State of NoVa is four counties and one city
> – Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William
> and Alexandria
>

Typical WaPo NoVa reporting. The least they could do is get the 1st sentence of the 1st paragraph of their 1st post of their cool new blog right:

* Alexandria, Virginia
* City of Fairfax, Virginia
* Falls Church, Virginia
* Manassas, Virginia
* Manassas Park, Virginia

Five.

WestfieldDad Wrote:
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> Sane Person Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > "The State of NoVa is four counties and one
> city
> > – Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William
> > and Alexandria
> >
>
> Typical WaPo NoVa reporting. The least they
> could do is get the 1st sentence of the 1st
> paragraph of their 1st post of their cool new blog
> right:
>
> * Alexandria, Virginia
> * City of Fairfax, Virginia
> * Falls Church, Virginia
> * Manassas, Virginia
> * Manassas Park, Virginia
>
> Five.

Are Manassas and Manassas Park part of PWC the way Fairfax City is part of FFX Co.?

I'm guessing the guy was simplifying and including only major cities (thus Alexandria and not Falls Church) that weren't inside other counties.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2011 09:00AM by snowdenscold.

City of Fairfax is not part of Fairfax County - it's as separate as the cities of Alexandria and Falls Chruch are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_subdivisions_of_Virginia#Independent_cities

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> City of Fairfax is not part of Fairfax County -
> it's as separate as the cities of Alexandria and
> Falls Chruch are.

it's stupid to say farfax city's in nova if its not even in farfax countie. its totally seaparate place.

ratarded Wrote:
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> Gordon Blvd Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > City of Fairfax is not part of Fairfax County -
> > it's as separate as the cities of Alexandria
> and
> > Falls Chruch are.
>
> it's stupid to say farfax city's in nova if its
> not even in farfax countie. its totally seaparate
> place.
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it's also kinda stupid to make a comment on this thread if a) you dont live here and b) you dont know what in the hiz-el you are talking about ...........o_0

Google it, k?

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> City of Fairfax is not part of Fairfax County -
> it's as separate as the cities of Alexandria and
> Falls Chruch are.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_subdivision
> s_of_Virginia#Independent_cities

It's not "as separate as" for two reasons:

1) It's entirely contained within the FFX Co boundaries.
2) It shares a school system w/ the county.

Furthermore, although the major government center HQ moved, many county buildings are still located within the city limits.



So yes, in some respects it's separate, but not the same way Falls Church and Alexandria are.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2011 10:25AM by snowdenscold.

From a historical perspective NoVA was originally defined by the Fairfax Grant -- basically all the land between the Potomac and Rappahannock Rivers, separate from the lands governed by colonial Virginia.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/settleland/fairfaxgrant.html

I am not sure how much jurisdictional separation there is. FFX City is separate, but does share certain services: schools, fire protection, etc. Police is its own. I believe the same is true of Falls Church City.

A truly independent city is Alexandria which handles everything on its own. That could be a function of city size...

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c'mon y'all - how long have you lived here?

a) both Falls Chruch and Fairfax City have their own fire departments, fire chiefs, etc.

http://www.fairfaxva.gov/firerescue/fire.asp

http://www.fallschurchvfd.org/


b) Fairfax city contracts out to the county for FCPS school services (in other words, they get a bill)

http://fairfaxcity.patch.com/articles/fcps-ups-fairfax-citys-school-bill-1m-more-in-budget-costs

c) just cause a lotta county buildings are there, doesnt mean Fairfax isnt it's own city. For example, if you get a county ticket, you gotta deal with the County courthouse. If you get a ticket in the city, you have to go to the city hall to deal with it. A whole different set of laws, records, etc.
In comparison, back where I was in Washington State, the city of Spokane was the county seat of Spokane County. And even thought the city and county had a diff police deparments, all laws, county and city records were kept in the same courthouse, with the same rules and stuff.

Fairfax and Falls Church truly are their own political entities. But no, they arent counties.

You sure?

From the City of Falls Church budget:

The Office of the Chief of Police, by contract, coordinates with the Arlington County Fire Department and
Volunteer Fire Department to provide 24/7/365 fire and rescue services at the Falls Church Fire Station #6.
Arlington County has 30 fire fighters and emergency medical services personnel, assigned to the Falls Church
Fire Station. Additionally, under the existing contract, the Arlington County Fire Department provides Fire
Marshall and HAZMAT Services for the City. The Fire Marshall’s office inspects businesses concerning fire code
regulations for the City and the officers have law enforcement powers to conduct arson investigations. The
contract saves the City considerable money by utilizing the resources of Arlington County.
Annually, the Arlington Fire/EMS responds to approximately 5,400 calls and approximately 25 HAZMAT calls.

Arlington also handles CFC's jail:

The City of Falls Church contracts with the Arlington County Sheriff’s Office to house prisoners for the City Police
Department. When an arrest is made by a Falls Church police officer, the offender is taken to the Arlington
County Detention Center (ADC) where they are released on bond or held for trial. The Arlington County Sheriff’s
Office also coordinates the community release programs associated with the inmates, which includes jail
diversion programs. The contract saves the citizens of the City from having to build and operate its own Detention
Center.

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Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> You sure?
>
> From the City of Falls Church budget:
>
> The Office of the Chief of Police, by contract,
> coordinates with the Arlington County Fire
> Department and
> Volunteer Fire Department to provide 24/7/365 fire
> and rescue services at the Falls Church Fire
> Station #6.
> Arlington County has 30 fire fighters and
> emergency medical services personnel, assigned to
> the Falls Church
> Fire Station. Additionally, under the existing
> contract, the Arlington County Fire Department
> provides Fire
> Marshall and HAZMAT Services for the City. The
> Fire Marshall’s office inspects businesses
> concerning fire code
> regulations for the City and the officers have law
> enforcement powers to conduct arson
> investigations. The
> contract saves the City considerable money by
> utilizing the resources of Arlington County.
> Annually, the Arlington Fire/EMS responds to
> approximately 5,400 calls and approximately 25
> HAZMAT calls.
>
> Arlington also handles CFC's jail:
>
> The City of Falls Church contracts with the
> Arlington County Sheriff’s Office to house
> prisoners for the City Police
> Department. When an arrest is made by a Falls
> Church police officer, the offender is taken to
> the Arlington
> County Detention Center (ADC) where they are
> released on bond or held for trial. The Arlington
> County Sheriff’s
> Office also coordinates the community release
> programs associated with the inmates, which
> includes jail
> diversion programs. The contract saves the
> citizens of the City from having to build and
> operate its own Detention
> Center.


Key word in there is "Contract", Pinhead. As in I contract with a plumber to fix my toilet; this doesn't mean he is gonna move in and let me claim him on my tax return.

This is fairfax underground and one thing should be clear to yall. Northern Virginia IS Fairfax County.

yeah, cause Arlington, Alexandria, which are NORTH of Fairfax County, arent really part of Northern VA.

good logic there LoLz

ffx county arlington and alexandria anything else is western virginia or southern virginia

MarcusVick Wrote:
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> ffx county arlington and alexandria anything else
> is western virginia or southern virginia


So Bull Run Post office Rd. near Fairfax National CC is Nova but Sugarland Plaza shopping center, 2 feet over the county line on Route 7 isn't?

Burke, Burke Center, Kings Park [West], what??
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Nova has not boundaries. She will even let you do anal on her with an old corn cob.

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> MarcusVick Wrote:
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> > ffx county arlington and alexandria anything
> else
> > is western virginia or southern virginia
>
>
> So Bull Run Post office Rd. near Fairfax National
> CC is Nova but Sugarland Plaza shopping center, 2
> feet over the county line on Route 7 isn't?



if it is not in ffx county arlington county or alexandria then it is not northern va. yes they are called boundries for a reason they determine where one thing ends and another begins. Is Bristol Tennessee in Virginia because you its 2 feet away from VA? no it is in Tennessee.

marcusvick Wrote:
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> snowdenscold Wrote:
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> > MarcusVick Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > ffx county arlington and alexandria anything
> > else
> > > is western virginia or southern virginia
> >
> >
> > So Bull Run Post office Rd. near Fairfax
> National
> > CC is Nova but Sugarland Plaza shopping center,
> 2
> > feet over the county line on Route 7 isn't?
>
>
>
> if it is not in ffx county arlington county or
> alexandria then it is not northern va. yes they
> are called boundries for a reason they determine
> where one thing ends and another begins. Is
> Bristol Tennessee in Virginia because you its 2
> feet away from VA? no it is in Tennessee.

But see, you're begging the question that NoVa = FFX, Arlington and Alexandria only (and I'm assuming a forgotten Falls Church). How do we know that's true?

FFx County has clear boundary lines. Virginia has clear boundary lines. "Northern Virginia" does not. It's open to interpretation, and those are usually guided by group consensus and various metrics and data.

If 90% of people agreed with you, then I'd say we have a 'consensus'. If the question was "NOVA boundaries according to ADC Street Map Book", it'd be based on data. But this is tougher.

I think SuperNova or Slaves have the right call.

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Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> I think SuperNova or Slaves have the right call.


i concur

even thought I do say WashingTone-Locian is also right

LoLz

obviously Fairfax Co, and all municipalities inside of it including alexandria should be included in "NoVa"

but the best way to _describe_ nova might be to say "Metro DC". So with that, we should find a population heat-map and draw a line around the core of population in these counties with a certain threshold. what that threshold should be...should be decided by what is considered a "metro" or "urban" environment. what might be difficult are areas like great falls, and clifton that are less urban, but surrounded by urban areas. clifton being nestled between centreville, fairfax, manassas, and burke. and great falls being just a mile or so from Tysons Corner.

Can anyone find such a "heat map" and post it, so we can hash out our own variations of boundaries.

a heat map isnt going to cut it. For example, Huntley Meadows isnt going to shine on such a map, yet it is obviously part of NoVA. And areas of McLean and North Arlington wont shine as much as Manassas Park or Dale City would.

map made earlier by "Slaves" - and a DAMN GOOD ONE at that LoLz



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North boundary of Quantico Marine base, to I95, to 234, Aden Road, all of Nokesville, northwest then to the intersection of 29 and 15, 15 north to 704, and then a semicircle from 704 to where White's Ferry crosses the Potomac.

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Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> North boundary of Quantico Marine base, to I95, to
> 234, Aden Road, all of Nokesville, northwest then
> to the intersection of 29 and 15, 15 north to 704,
> and then a semicircle from 704 to where White's
> Ferry crosses the Potomac.


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why you cutting out Prince William Forest Park, m'man?

Natural boundary that divides PW from Stafford.

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I just went into Manassas last weekend for the first time in a long time, and I'm determined that it's not NoVa. The neighborhoods all reminded me of Southern VA.

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ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> I just went into Manassas last weekend for the
> first time in a long time, and I'm determined that
> it's not NoVa. The neighborhoods all reminded me
> of Southern VA.

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could say the same thing about parts of Arlington, most of Lorton, and ALL of Clifton - so what?

Pinhead the Cenobite Wrote:
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> Natural boundary that divides PW from Stafford.

Gotcha! Are you including MCB Quantico in this?

No. Quantico represents the southern most cutoff.

Since we are at it, can we close nominations and move to a vote on options?

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well, the only reason I'd pic your map over slaves is cause yeah, I guess Gainesville and Haymarket are the end of the world as far as NoVA is concerned these days - but he still gets bonus points for his Farmer Brown and Homie Homie pics LoLz

On the flip side of that, his map blocks out the countryside beyond Chantilly and South Riding. I dont feel that area past South Riding is NoVA - Like Gilbert's Corner - I;ve never thought of that town as really being a part of NoVA even though most of it is "our" side of 15, y'know? He included Arcola (that "truckstop" on 50 is where I say NoVA ends, and made his Western border pretty much Evergreen Mills Rd all the way up to Leesburg - which I feel is a much more accurate border for the present-time. It's kinda like the same way you feel about Prince William Forest Park (which for personal reasons, I'd like to be a part of NoVA LoLz) being the Southern buffer - I see the Battlefield as the Western buffer. Sure Gainesville and Haymarket are exceptions due to 66. But north of the battlefield, there really isnt anything until Leesburg.

I'm also not too sure about "outer" Nokesville. For me, Linton Hall Rd and not Aden Rd would be the Southwestern boundary, with Nokesville being included only the parts closer to 28

So for me, it would be a hybrid of both yr maps. Leesburg, down Evergreen Mills to Arcola and Gum Springs Rd all the way to 234, then up to 15, down to 29, and either out to VA215 Vint Hill Rd, or in to Gainesville and go down Linton Hall Rd. Either way will meet up at that Shopping Center @ 28, and stay in 619 to Independent Hill. Me personally, I'd then use 619 Joplin Rd as my southern boundary, but I can understand using 234 instead. Either way, all the way to Dumfries, Triangle, and Quantico being the last entries.

Ok, that's my humble take - discuss :)
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Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> > I just went into Manassas last weekend for the
> > first time in a long time, and I'm determined
> that
> > it's not NoVa. The neighborhoods all reminded
> me
> > of Southern VA.
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>
> could say the same thing about parts of Arlington,
> most of Lorton, and ALL of Clifton - so what?


They're nothing like Southern VA. Lorton, however, is definitely the southern border of NoVa. Once you hit Woodbridge it's all different (Hicks, hicks, hicks).

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I like both Slaves and Pinheads maps, Pinheads gives us a clear definitions while slaves' leaves "shades of grey" as you move south and west.

I would have cut Nokesville out but I can live with it.

@ Gordon Blvd... Clifton is like Southern VA? You gotta be jerkin our chain, right? Minus a few dozen random houses and maybe one neighborhood, they couldn't be further apart.

@JBass - I'm talking about town, not the surrounding county areas. The churchs, the businesses, the firestation, and the houses that are actually IN town - could be any given hillbilly mountain-pass town in Southwest VA, or even southeast VA (if you painted a different skin colour on the population, that is LoLz)

@PackLeader - hicks in Chantilly (Pleasant Valley Rd), hicks in Alexandria (Rose Hill), hicks in Fairfax (any given neighborhood west of 123), hicks in Vienna (whole damn town almost)

Hell, we got Asian hicks in Falls Church, Hispanic hicks in Bailey's Crossroads, Middle Eastern hicks in Dunn Lorring, Indian hicks in Pimmit Hills, Black hicks in Gum Springs.

Only difference between Rt 1 Woodbridge and Rt 1 Hybla Valley is we have an extra lane LoLz

Took a drive in the new car with the family out 50 today and decided to drive 15. Holy fuck. 15 is way the hell out there. Nothing west of 15 could be considered NoVa.

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Centreville feels like Manassas.