always been a verizon customer, switched last year to att to get the iphone. Att service seems to be getting suckier every day, dropped calls, no service, etc....

got the new iphone4 3 weeks ago, have a couple days left to return the phone and cancel contract with att. seriously considering doing it just to go back to verizon now that they have the iphone but not sure if its worth the cancellation fee and the hassle...

looking for feedback from both verizon customers about their service and those with att about what they think....

verizon or att?

I have had both. I go with Verizon as its got the best coverage in this area. You do pay for that coverage though.

If you travel internationally, consider AT&T since Verizon phones are CDMA and AT&T (and most of the world) is GSM.

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"...your suffering will be legendary even in Hell!"

r u fucking kidding? att data speeds twice as fast as verizon.

http://osxdaily.com/2011/02/03/verizon-iphone-vs-att-iphone-speed-test/

wtf Wrote:
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> r u fucking kidding? att data speeds twice as fast
> as verizon.



and you can talk/surf at the same time.

depends..right now both id say are somewhat equal, with maybe verizon speeds a bit faster.

i wont change from at&t until verizon has fully implemented LTE. i like the ability to be on a call AND surf the web/use other apps at the same time.

I love the argument that AT&T's speeds are faster. That's like saying a 55mph speed limit is helpful in NoVA at 8:00am on a weekday.

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Pinhead and ATT ATT pretty much wrap the argument up. The question you have to ask yourself is do you want TRUE 4G (better (sorta) speed and the ability to phone call while surfing? Or do you want the fake 4G, but WAAAAAY better coverage (and higher rates)?

@justsayin - it depends on the app, my friend. But yeah, I get what yr sayin

@Rob - yr prolly gonna be waiting a bit - LTE is NOT 4G and will prolly never be able to do both phone calls and surfing - it would be like putting a 5 speed transmission on an Denver Omelette LoLz. Ok, better analogy - it would be like playing WoW on a 486 - get what I mean? Verizon has to upgrade their network to 4G to make it work



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I see. The simultaneous voice and data I do frequently on my Verizon LTE Thunderbolt is just an illusion, it isn't real. Pulling up maps while I'm talking to someone on speaker is something in my head, a fantasy I'm living as if it were a lucid dream, or perhaps tripping.

The fact that 99% of my daily usage is covered in 4G/LTE areas in the DC metro area is to be ignored because it isn't available in West Virginia and therefore not "universal." It feels slower now just knowing it isn't yet fully deployed nationwide, thanks for ruining the experience.

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"She looks pretty good for 12, admit it." - WingNut, 04/24/2012

"I'm racist too. So what?" - Ellipsis 9/16/2011

"If you only knew who I was, and what I was working to do you would...have the decency to tell me I hated my nation and the way of life. I may not agree with...the government...I hate the "government"......" - Firrat 9/1/10

"there seems to be a queer...why? To try and further demean a defeated... dumb Tea party... I think we need more... far left folks on a regular basis - Louis Farakhan, Jesse Jackson...Al Sharpton" - Registered Voter, 8/19/2011

"If your computer is running slow, or you have any other problems, email me at with the problem and i am willing to fix it, for a price of course" - Taylor, spamming FFU on 04/12/2006. "N****rs as slaves again? I think so..." - Taylor, 09/20/2009

yep, just a fantasy

and get off the drugs, son - it's messing up yr service coverage :)

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> Pinhead and ATT ATT pretty much wrap the
> argument up. The question you have to ask
> yourself is do you want TRUE 4G (better (sorta)
> speed and the ability to phone call while surfing?
> Or do you want the fake 4G, but WAAAAAY better
> coverage (and higher rates)?
>
> @justsayin - it depends on the app, my friend.
> But yeah, I get what yr sayin
>
> @Rob - yr prolly gonna be waiting a bit - LTE is
> NOT 4G and will prolly never be able to do both
> phone calls and surfing - it would be like putting
> a 5 speed transmission on an Denver Omelette
> LoLz. Ok, better analogy - it would be like
> playing WoW on a 486 - get what I mean? Verizon
> has to upgrade their network to 4G to make it work

uh what? LTE is 4g. do you even know what LTE is? Both companies are switching to LTE. T-mobile began this stupid label wars by calling their HSPA network 4g. HSPA is the next step up from 3g, so its 3.5g.
Technically speaking 3.9G, with advanced LTE being the TRUE 4g. Just because marketing says something doesnt make it true.

att doesnt have 4g, but they are building it. Then again att hasnt even fully converted EDGE to UMTS yet across the country.

rob, you'd find that Gordo here does most of his talking like this:

justsayin Wrote:
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> I see. The simultaneous voice and data I do
> frequently on my Verizon LTE Thunderbolt is just
> an illusion, it isn't real. Pulling up maps while
> I'm talking to someone on speaker is something in
> my head, a fantasy I'm living as if it were a
> lucid dream, or perhaps tripping.
>
> The fact that 99% of my daily usage is covered in
> 4G/LTE areas in the DC metro area is to be ignored
> because it isn't available in West Virginia and
> therefore not "universal." It feels slower now
> just knowing it isn't yet fully deployed
> nationwide, thanks for ruining the experience.


VERIZON LTE Thuderbolt pulls 3g signals half the time and everyone has been having issues with them since the original rollout ( location ID issues and apps downloading onto SD and sim cards). Their LTE network isn't finished being implemented yet, either.

lte is going to be tougher on verizon to switch over than it is on att. thats mostly because verizon went with CDMA, vs TDMA/GSM.

its still in testing/implementing in some markets, so give it 1-2 years.

I've put up with crappy ATT coverage for two years, I now see they're finally adding some towers in the area. Too late, I'm switching to Verizon

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“We don’t have any rude, unpleasant people here. We’re different!”

Love the fanboy crapola, keep it coming AT&T people. I'd tell you to call me and describe your position but know it would take three attempts to get the whole thing out after dropped calls.

@ rob, utvid - you can hate and talk trash all you want, but LTE is NOT true 4G, doesnt have the speed NOR the saem capabilities as true 4G

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G#ITU_Requirements_and_4G_wireless_standards

3rd paragraph for those to lazy to click (LoLz)

Pre-4G technologies such as mobile WiMAX and first-release 3G Long term evolution (LTE) have been on the market since 2006[2] and 2009[3][4][5] respectively, and are often branded as 4G. The current versions of these technologies DID NOT FULFILL (my emphasis) the original ITU-R requirements of data rates approximately up to 1 Gbit/s for 4G systems. Marketing materials use 4G as a description for LTE and Mobile-WiMAX in their current forms.


@justsayin - ha ha ha that's the friggin truth no joke

Gordo, you are an idiot. Try reading the article you linked rather than just cherry picking out of context.

Gordo sez: "LTE is NOT 4G"

The facts, from Gordo's own source? "LTE Advanced (Long-term-evolution Advanced) is a candidate for IMT-Advanced standard (aka 4G)... LTE Advanced is essentially an enhancement to LTE. It is not a new technology but rather an improvement on the existing LTE network."

In other words, 4G doesn't even exist yet—but when it does, it's going to look an awful lot like LTE!

Gordo further pontificates: "LTE ... will prolly never be able to do both phone calls and surfing"

The facts on the ground? "The simultaneous voice and data I do frequently on my Verizon LTE Thunderbolt is just an illusion, it isn't real. Pulling up maps while I'm talking to someone on speaker is something in my head, a fantasy I'm living as if it were a lucid dream, or perhaps tripping." - Rob

Nope, Rob, you're not dreaming or tripping. Gordo, as usual, is full of shit. :)

justsayin Wrote:
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> Love the fanboy crapola, keep it coming AT&T
> people.

These iPhone fags are something else, eh?

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I think Rob already figured out that he's not dreaming or tripping, Ut

Sounds like someone needs to unbunch his panties a little

LoLz


anywho, say what you will about 4g not existing yet..........at least on Verizon, that is LoLz

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/05/atandt-4g-lte-iphone-planned-for-2012-launch/



you can hate me, but that doesnt change the fact that LTE aint true 4G

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution

Being described as a 3.9G (beyond 3G but pre-4G) technology the first release LTE does not meet the IMT Advanced requirements for 4G also called IMT Advanced as defined by the International Telecommunication Union such as peak data rates up to 1 Gbit/s. The ITU has invited the submission of candidate Radio Interface Technologies (RITs) following their requirements as mentioned in a circular letter. The work by 3GPP to define a 4G candidate radio interface technology started in Release 9 with the study phase for LTE-Advanced.

LTE Advanced is 4G, but we arent talking about that, now are we?

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> -------------------------------------------------
> I think Rob already figured out that he's not
> dreaming or tripping, Ut
>
> Sounds like someone needs to unbunch his panties a
> little
>
> LoLz
>
>
> anywho, say what you will about 4g not existing
> yet..........at least on Verizon, that is LoLz
>
> http://www.macrumors.com/2011/01/05/atandt-4g-lte-
> iphone-planned-for-2012-launch/
>
>
>
> you can hate me, but that doesnt change the fact
> that LTE aint true 4G
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolut
> ion
>
> Being described as a 3.9G (beyond 3G but pre-4G)
> technology the first release LTE does not meet the
> IMT Advanced requirements for 4G also called IMT
> Advanced as defined by the International
> Telecommunication Union such as peak data rates up
> to 1 Gbit/s. The ITU has invited the submission of
> candidate Radio Interface Technologies (RITs)
> following their requirements as mentioned in a
> circular letter. The work by 3GPP to define a 4G
> candidate radio interface technology started in
> Release 9 with the study phase for LTE-Advanced.
>
> LTE Advanced is 4G, but we arent talking about
> that, now are we?

uh what? LTE is 4g(well LTE advanced is). do you even know what LTE is? Both companies are switching to LTE. T-mobile began this stupid label wars by calling their HSPA network 4g. HSPA is the next step up from 3g, so its 3.5g.
Technically speaking LTE IS 3.9G, with advanced LTE being the TRUE 4g. Just because marketing says something doesnt make it true.

att doesnt have 4g, but they are building it. Then again att hasnt even fully converted EDGE to UMTS yet across the country.

WiMAX is nothing like LTE. The fact that sprint is pretty much looking at LTE down the road speaks volumes.

Wimax is 4g, but wimax is to cellular network as betamax was to videotapes.

I have att and i worked for att. The fact is, ever since CINGULAR and their parent company SBC bought AT&T wireless and BELL AT&T, they've changed their attitudes. this new "at&t" is far from an innovator. the fact is its been what? 5 years or more since 3g came out? yet there are large portions of the nation living on EDGE speeds. You can argue all day and night, but the fact is gordon doesnt know wtf he speaks about.

I am a firm believer in the fact that verizon will be the future of the wireless industry, unless something happens with the partnership between verizon and vodaphone (who owns a stake in verizon wireless FYI)

spoken like a true Verizon rep, Rob

LoLz

and yeah, like I said in my PREVIOUS post

> LTE Advanced is 4G, but we arent talking about
> that, now are we?

AT&T doesn't have anything close to 4G yet. They're playing the same game as TMobile, calling their "HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul" a 4G network. They won't even start building out their LTE network until the middle of this year.

This is all from AT&T's own site, by the way. Tolle, lege.

http://www.att.com/network/

Ut videam Wrote:
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> AT&T doesn't have anything close to 4G yet.
> They're playing the same game as TMobile, calling
> their "HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul" a 4G network.
> They won't even start building out their LTE
> network until the middle of this year.
>
> This is all from AT&T's own site, by the way.
> Tolle, lege.
>
> http://www.att.com/network/
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true that

and apparently, LTE IS 4G, according to Yankee Group

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/TMobiles-HSPA-Network-Is-It-Really-4G-505229/

damn, this tech is changing by the minute, isnt it

LoLz

Gordon Blvd Wrote:
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> spoken like a true Verizon rep, Rob
>
> LoLz
>
> and yeah, like I said in my PREVIOUS post
>
> > LTE Advanced is 4G, but we arent talking about
> > that, now are we?


rep for verizon? lol. Actually the main reason i havent switched to them is because of CDMA. I also want to wait until they have completely launched LTE nationwide, since its not compatible with cdma, unlike UMTS,HSPA is to GSM.

what cingular and former at&t wireless customers dealt with when the transition from TDMA to gait then to GSM will be nothing like CDMA to LTE.

for the record, ive had att since the 90s.

Rob Wrote:
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>
> what cingular and former at&t wireless customers
> dealt with when the transition from TDMA to gait
> then to GSM will be nothing like CDMA to LTE.
>
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and on that point, we can most CERTAINLY agree ;)

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