Cheap bastard.

Fan since 106.7 Wrote:
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> This was ridiculous. It starts out bizarre. That
> disclaimer, then Buzz's opening. I'll give them
> credit if they keep it real though.
>
> bubbyman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And they also tell us that we aren't allowed to
> > share this other than in it's entirety. It's so
> > boring I guess they figure no one will listen
> to
> > the whole thing and everyone will just assume
> they
> > have reasonable explanations for everything.


Something tells me you will give them credit regardless

Iron Log Wrote:
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> I don't have a lot of criticism for this RELM
> announcement. It was a big nothing - they offered
> very few points that you couldn't have just
> imagined. It was basically just "He said the
> equipment wasn't good? Well, it was good" type
> rebuttals. The one thing worth noting is that they
> allegedly have written proof that Don wanted them
> to take his cohosts pay out of Don's cut, which
> contradicts Don's statements. There's a lot of
> things that could be solved by reviewing the
> contractual terms. Blah.
>
> Not a full blown, mealy mouthed, weasely
> situation, but still a nothing burger.


Exactly. I would PAY to see the contract. It says what it says.

449....Semper Fat...
Attachments:

He is so incredibly out of touch, and frankly, lazy on pop culture news of the day. Anyone paying attention knew where that phrase came from.

It's bizarre that they would lean on the phrase so much. That term has been lambasted here and on Facebook. How about saying "We're trying to handle this in a frank, fair, and honest manner"? Or "We just want to share our side and be done with it"? High road has a lot of room for evasion, as has been established.

Give them credit for what? Iron Log nailed it - RELM didn't inspire much or any confidence, or anything really. They didn't offer much of anything to even form a supportive opinion. I'm writing this off as a massive mutual eff up, though RELM was definitely more exposed in the process. After that epic BS Burbank shoveled initially ("We are friends :)") one can't trust them all that much.

I would also pay to see the contract. They should bundle it with a TMOS balance sheet and sell it was premium content. I'd chip in at least the price of a 3D movie ticket.

So does this mean they aren't going getting there $500,000 to a $1,000,000 renvue they bragged about or are they since they kept all of Don's listener money?

Really, at this point you pay out of charity. I do this for BOAD and that's it. I'll eventually get around to paying for Crabfeast premium episodes. And I'll do that to hear them do a live show.

RELM isn't going to engage in a "DJ war" and will only respond once. This is it.

This show was them standing up and defending RELM.

Don gave Buzz a job when he really needed it and Buzz returned the favor by giving Don a podcast. I don't think those 2 favors are equal.

Spreadsheet talk at min 6, WTF? Don and RELM couldn't agree on a format?

How didn't RELM keep all of the $?

Equipment talk at min 12. They don't say anythingr about Kappy. Marc's brother and RJ set up the stuff. I thought RJ was in IT, but more of a legacy coder (handling some old app written in something that isn't current). I didn't know RJ was a radio engineer.

Don didn't have high speed internet, due to being in the sticks, but a LTE hot spot gave Don the connectivity.

Min 20, letting Don go was a big mistake, not according to Buzz. Due to Don not getting the numbers and they thought his business model was dumb.

Don was too difficult and didn't make enough $ and hence RELM talked (internally) to get rid of him or redo the contract.

RELM, min 22, they were losing money on Don's show.

Min 25, RELM isn't incompetent because they have 18 shows.

Min 27, Buzz claims Don wanted all his cut upfront. Buzz uses the analog that if you make $60k your salary is broken up and not a lump sum.

Min 29, RELM had $10k to spend on Don's show. $5k for gear and $5k for promotion.

Min 30, Don got the largest paycheck he's received (as Don said on a show with Adam). Interesting...

Min 32, Marc talks about why didn't talk shit about TMOS. Buzz jumps in and says something about LFF running a good show.

That was a strange 37 minutes.



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jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> RELM isn't going to engage in a "DJ war" and will
> only respond once. This is it.
>
> This show was them standing up and defending
> RELM.
>
> Don gave Buzz a job when he really needed it and
> Buzz returned the favor by giving Don a podcast.
> I don't think those 2 favors are equal.
>
> Spreadsheet talk at min 6, WTF? Don and RELM
> couldn't agree on a format?
>
> How didn't RELM keep all of the $?
>
> Equipment talk at min 12. They don't say anythingr
> about Kappy. Marc's brother and RJ set up the
> stuff. I thought RJ was in IT, but more of a
> legacy coder (handling some old app written in
> something that isn't current). I didn't know RJ
> was a radio engineer.
>
> Don didn't have high speed internet, due to being
> in the sticks, but a LTE hot spot gave Don the
> connectivity.
>
> Min 20, letting Don go was a big mistake, not
> according to Buzz. Due to Don not getting the
> numbers and they thought his business model was
> dumb.
>
> Don was too difficult and didn't make enough $ and
> hence RELM talked (internally) to get rid of him
> or redo the contract.
>
> RELM, min 22, they were losing money on Don's
> show.
>
> Min 25, RELM isn't incompetent because they have
> 18 shows.
>
> Min 27, Buzz claims Don wanted all his cut
> upfront. Buzz uses the analog that if you make
> $60k your salary is broken up and not a lump sum.
>
> Min 29, RELM had $10k to spend on Don's show. $5k
> for gear and $5k for promotion.
>
> Min 30, Don got the largest paycheck he's received
> (as Don said on a show with Adam).
> Interesting...
>
> Min 32, Marc talks about why didn't talk shit
> about TMOS. Buzz jumps in and says something
> about LFF running a good show.
>
> That was a strange 37 minutes.

Yeah, there were some weird things there.

Does the contract NOT say that Don gets paid on X schedule?

If he was just getting paid on a piecemeal basis through the year, how did he get that big check initially?

If I'm Don, the notion that Buzz was paying me back by letting my show on the mfing RELM network would make my head explode.

Equipment: no direct refutation of Don's statement that the phone board was 20 years old, and no longer in general use in the industry.

I don't think Buzz thinks the failcast is a "good show." Come on.

Buzz says their response is not scripted but it's painfully obvious in Ronick's voice when he is reading off of a page.

RELM says they sent real, qualified technicians (Ronick's brother and RJ) out to California to setup Geronimo's studio, but then weeks later they suddenly discover Geronimo has "worse then dialup" internet speed. Both can't be true.

Nothing about the Kappy Pfeiffer relationship.

I'll believe they kept the money so they could issue refunds when they actually issue a refund.

I don't think either side is being completely honest. Geronimo is entertaining but he is a wack-job. I still trust him more than the RELMers.



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The most hilarious thing is the "Don hadn't earned the money yet" thing. Though their alleged attempt to create a refund arrangement is admirable, they claimed that Don didn't want to do that. I think the most accurate framing would be "Don didn't accept our proposal where this brokedick operation 'holds' the cash in case of a dissolution."


Again, where's the contract? #legalconsole

RELM would have you believe that DGS was wildly successful and financially disappointing at the same time.

Don got the biggest check of his life, when he is documented by WaPo to have once made high six or low seven figures, but also there isn't that much money.

Refund money for contractually nonexistent refunds. We know those RELM fellas love their contracts...sure they were planning to modify that very favorable provision.

Can't have it both ways.

peekza Wrote:
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> Fan since 106.7 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This was ridiculous. It starts out bizarre.
> That
> > disclaimer, then Buzz's opening. I'll give them
> > credit if they keep it real though.
> >
> > bubbyman Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And they also tell us that we aren't allowed
> to
> > > share this other than in it's entirety. It's
> so
> > > boring I guess they figure no one will listen
> > to
> > > the whole thing and everyone will just assume
> > they
> > > have reasonable explanations for everything.
>
>
> Something tells me you will give them credit
> regardless

How dare you think for yourself and not fall in line fansince1067? Peekza loves to talk about how the klubbers don't have a brain, just fall in line, blast anyone with a slightly different mindset, ostracize anyone that doesn't join the groupthink and then he does the exact same thing here. Fucking hypocrite.

How'd arroyo Wrote:
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> peekza Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fan since 106.7 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > This was ridiculous. It starts out bizarre.
> > That
> > > disclaimer, then Buzz's opening. I'll give
> them
> > > credit if they keep it real though.
> > >
> > > bubbyman Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > And they also tell us that we aren't
> allowed
> > to
> > > > share this other than in it's entirety.
> It's
> > so
> > > > boring I guess they figure no one will
> listen
> > > to
> > > > the whole thing and everyone will just
> assume
> > > they
> > > > have reasonable explanations for
> everything.
> >
> >
> > Something tells me you will give them credit
> > regardless
>
> How dare you think for yourself and not fall in
> line fansince1067? Peekza loves to talk about how
> the klubbers don't have a brain, just fall in
> line, blast anyone with a slightly different
> mindset, ostracize anyone that doesn't join the
> groupthink and then he does the exact same thing
> here. Fucking hypocrite.


Care to explain?

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> Don didn't have high speed internet, due to being
> in the sticks, but a LTE hot spot gave Don the
> connectivity.

With almost complete certainty, I can say this is absolute, unadulterated bullshit. Don lives in an affluent suburb of Sacramento (Granite Bay, I think). It's about 15 minutes from downtown Sac. It's not out in the fucking wilderness somewhere. No way would he not have high speed internet.

I'm still waiting on my refund too. It must be in the mail.

Was listening to some old D&M.

Check out 09:15-10:00 on this clip. Foreshadowing!

http://donandmikewebsite.com/?action=showBlog&blog_id=2763

You can hear them shuffle paper during the show.

To the paycheck thing...
Maybe what RELM said is true, that this was Don's biggest single paycheck. If the first month's subs were high enough, maybe they handed him $30k.

The lump sum thing is odd. Maybe CBS cut Don a check for the D&M show for a year and Don flowed that into his own company and produced the show that way. Maybe Don thought that was how RELM would do it.

Wow....what a pitiful pack of doubletalk and lies...Maybe they should have just remained silent and let their "fans" give them the benefit of doubt...First off MJ Elston, this isn't just a one time thing, this is his SECOND response since Don has left...And who knew Eric and RJ are professional broadcast engineers? No mention of the Kappy talk? Wonder why? They spent $5K on advertising? Anyone see anything besides the DCRtv banner ad? Me neither. Anybody else think MJ Elston got a new computer when they sent Don his old one? Anybody else think Don got more calls than MJ Elston and that's why a 20 year old piece of equipment was fine for KOB's snoozecast, but not for Don's show? And the best lie of all? They were withholding Don's $ because they needed a refund fund for a podcast with a NO REFUND waiver? It's been over a month since RELM has provided us with content, anybody else get a refund notice? Me neither.

Also, if RELM really thought the sub podcast model was dumb, why'd they do it?

Or, much more likely they thought Don had the juice to pull in sub numbers that would make it work.

Wait? Not! Wrote:
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> jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Don didn't have high speed internet, due to
> being
> > in the sticks, but a LTE hot spot gave Don the
> > connectivity.
>
> With almost complete certainty, I can say this is
> absolute, unadulterated bullshit. Don lives in an
> affluent suburb of Sacramento (Granite Bay, I
> think). It's about 15 minutes from downtown Sac.
> It's not out in the fucking wilderness somewhere.
> No way would he not have high speed internet.
>
> I'm still waiting on my refund too. It must be in
> the mail.


I love the slower than dial-up line....Like JHops pointed out, wouldn't their BROADCAST ENGINEERS have noticed that? Who thinks they streamed the show on that "less than dial-up" connection for weeks before there was a problem? Lies...More of Marc's lies...

peekza Wrote:
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> Wow....what a pitiful pack of doubletalk and
> lies...Maybe they should have just remained silent
> and let their "fans" give them the benefit of
> doubt...

Don't worry, peeksa, a cruise through the RELM Facebook page shows that they were classy, on point, honest, etc etc blah blah blech

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> You can hear them shuffle paper during the show.
>
> To the paycheck thing...
> Maybe what RELM said is true, that this was Don's
> biggest single paycheck. If the first month's
> subs were high enough, maybe they handed him
> $30k.
>
> The lump sum thing is odd. Maybe CBS cut Don a
> check for the D&M show for a year and Don flowed
> that into his own company and produced the show
> that way. Maybe Don thought that was how RELM
> would do it.


Don said he made more from the Podcast than he did from KHTK, not than he had ever made....Lowell is trying to mislead you...Don made 2 million dollars a year for CBS in it's heyday...Listen again...

Writes Susan Abercrombie: A fair, detailed, objective rebuttal - well done.

Jesse Jaymz opines: ou took the high road and came with facts. Very proud of all you and the RELM network has done.

John M Stafford insists: Very credible.


No better than klubbers. Curious if any of these sphincters listened to Don's show.

Wait? Not! Wrote:
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> Writes Susan Abercrombie: A fair, detailed,
> objective rebuttal - well done.
>
> Jesse Jaymz opines: ou took the high road and came
> with facts. Very proud of all you and the RELM
> network has done.
>
> John M Stafford insists: Very credible.
>
>
> No better than klubbers. Curious if any of these
> sphincters listened to Don's show.


The RELMers might be more pathetic than the Klubbers....What a contest...

No chance Don doesn't respond to RELM's response, right?

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> No chance Don doesn't respond to RELM's response,
> right?


I would slide a mirror under his nose if he didn't JHops...Gonna be great listening to him dispute their BS...

peekza Wrote:
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> jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No chance Don doesn't respond to RELM's
> response,
> > right?
>
>
> I would slide a mirror under his nose if he didn't
> JHops...Gonna be great listening to him dispute
> their BS...

Yeah, maybe I'll hear it in a month or so.

I love hearing them try to blame Don for not bringing in enough subscribers...How many do Bob and Chez bring in? And how exactly was RELM hemorrhaging money Lowell? On Bandwidth for his "non-existent" subscribers? It's not like Content shelf was charging, so you paid for what exactly? Bandwidth? We all know Kappy paid for everything else. What a sorry bunch of conniving liars. Michael J Elston, you should be ashamed of yourself

Before RELM says they spent the Geronimo cash on a website upgrade let me call out a preemptive "bullshit!" now. I'm on their site now, more than I ever have been since they started, and the place looks like a 12 year old designed it for Myspace 10 years ago.

- No organization, hard to find anything you want.
- Flashy rotating banners that aren't very useful.
- Dropdown Menu across the top that has 20-something entries in it (one for each show). It's so long it covers the whole page, interferes with other pointless garbage.
- And then for some reason there is another almost identical drop-up menu (is that a thing? and if it is why is it mostly transparent???) on the bottom of the page. Who in their right mind would go to the bottom of a page expecting to find anything useful???
- Embedded Youtube and Amazon content that is too big for its space on the RELM page, too many scroll bars.

Keep an eye on Twitter, Buzz and Marc seem to be getting a little upset.

Relm said something about taking expenses out before paying Don.

I believe the bleeding $ was the $10k for gear and ads they spent.

Buzz is trying to defend himself against charges of engorgement, by pointing out that the subscribers will still get their value. That isn't going to work - those yearly subscribers will be mad about the 75% donation they unwittingly made to RELM.

I'd love to know how much cash was left over, especially given that RELM invested a *maximum* of 10k in the product. Plus whatever Don and staff were paid, and bandwith.

What is the refund thing about?

People are asking for refunds because they don't want the $ to goto Marc? Relm claims what? It isn't their problem because Don will honor the unused time?

Wouldn't it be easy to refund the $ and tell Don whom requested a refund?

Fan since 106.7 Wrote:
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> Buzz is trying to defend himself against charges
> of engorgement, by pointing out that the
> subscribers will still get their value. That isn't
> going to work - those yearly subscribers will be
> mad about the 75% donation they unwittingly made
> to RELM.
>
> I'd love to know how much cash was left over,
> especially given that RELM invested a *maximum* of
> 10k in the product. Plus whatever Don and staff
> were paid, and bandwith.

You also have to subtract all the equipment, they freely admitted they got it all back, so what exactly are they out? $300 a month for advertising on dcrtv?

Exactly, bub. I should add that I was commenting on the Twitter battle brewing against @michaeljelston.
Attachments:

Oh Michael J Elston, you should have just kept quiet and let the world think you were a scared old pussy...Now we KNOW you're a lying crook...You really do owe your nice guy persona to Don...

truthfully, RELM told us their side of the story when they kept the money

You know LFF is watching this unfold while gleefully making his way through a trash bag of popcorn.

It was cute the way the glossed over the noncompete and the money deal. They've got the "hey we agreed to it so it's all good" argument, which is fine in a courtroom. But don't act surprised when your followers are dismayed.

Light Bulb Wrote:
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> You know LFF is watching this unfold while
> gleefully making his way through a trash bag of
> popcorn.


Thank you for the image

I like how Michael J Elston tries to hide the negative posts with a wall of mindless retweets....every time I go to his twitter it is just a page of RTs....so pathetic...so Buzz...

Fan since 106.7 Wrote:
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> It was cute the way the glossed over the
> noncompete and the money deal. They've got the
> "hey we agreed to it so it's all good" argument,
> which is fine in a courtroom. But don't act
> surprised when your followers are dismayed.


Notice they didn't address Buzz's 4+ year old computer....Wonder why they would send Don an old, outdated machine when Kappy gave them 10K? Think Michael J Elston has a new rig? Hell, think he got a new telos machine too?

This BTW would be a wonderful time for TMOS to pile on RELM

If the LFF said he listen to both podcasts and talked to them each and this is why Ronic is a shitcock

We will never get that

The part that kills me is that they never actually disputed anything Don said.

Example: Don said the contract called for an 80/20 split. Buzz says the way they were paying Don was "common business practice" without mention of the contract.

About only thing they could point to that Don was wrong about was the price of the replacement computer, they said it was closer to $1000, rather than $500.

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> This BTW would be a wonderful time for TMOS to
> pile on RELM
>
> If the LFF said he listen to both podcasts and
> talked to them each and this is why Ronic is a
> shitcock
>
> We will never get that

There is a good reason why neither camp has openly spoken poorly of each other....Kappy might have to take a side...or dump them both...

Speaking of which...think Kappy sponsors any other podcasts?

peekza Wrote:
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> jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This BTW would be a wonderful time for TMOS to
> > pile on RELM
> >
> > If the LFF said he listen to both podcasts and
> > talked to them each and this is why Ronic is a
> > shitcock
> >
> > We will never get that
>
> There is a good reason why neither camp has openly
> spoken poorly of each other....Kappy might have to
> take a side...or dump them both...

Very, very good point. Odd how they're all beholden to this rich weirdo who demands no ROI.

bubbyman Wrote:
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> The part that kills me is that they never actually
> disputed anything Don said.
>
> Example: Don said the contract called for an 80/20
> split. Buzz says the way they were paying Don was
> "common business practice" without mention of the
> contract.
>
> About only thing they could point to that Don was
> wrong about was the price of the replacement
> computer, they said it was closer to $1000, rather
> than $500.


Don't you think they would have if they could have? I'm still trying to figure out why the posted that sorry sack of excuses....It just made them look griftier than we had earlier suspected...Still waiting on my refund...

peekza that is a great point. What is our guess on Kappy's love for Don vs LFF vs Ronic? LFF has got to win unless Buzz...

bubby, yeah I agree RELM would have been better served by taking something Don said and quoting from the contract or citing specific examples on how Don was wrong.

I think what they wanted us to take away from this was Don was difficult and spun out of control and it could have been cleared up if Don listened to reason / relaxed.

What I got was spin read from paper I could hear in the mic and little concrete from RELM. I'm sure they could have hammered Don and clearly Buzz is butt hurt over what Don said about him.

The "no DJ war" and doing this once is such a lost opportunity. Don will likely fire back and hopefully go point by point against RELM. RELM could fire back, but they'd be going against their word, which gives further credence to whatever Don says.

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> peekza that is a great point. What is our guess
> on Kappy's love for Don vs LFF vs Ronic? LFF has
> got to win unless Buzz...
>
> bubby, yeah I agree RELM would have been better
> served by taking something Don said and quoting
> from the contract or citing specific examples on
> how Don was wrong.
>
> I think what they wanted us to take away from this
> was Don was difficult and spun out of control and
> it could have been cleared up if Don listened to
> reason / relaxed.
>
> What I got was spin read from paper I could hear
> in the mic and little concrete from RELM. I'm
> sure they could have hammered Don and clearly Buzz
> is butt hurt over what Don said about him.
>
> The "no DJ war" and doing this once is such a lost
> opportunity. Don will likely fire back and
> hopefully go point by point against RELM. RELM
> could fire back, but they'd be going against their
> word, which gives further credence to whatever Don
> says.

They've already LIED about it being a one time announcement...MJ Elston already went on Kirk to whine about it

No way $30k was Don's biggest paycheck. That would mean he was making less than $800k a year at JFK. I think it's been determined he was making at least $2 mil in the D&M heyday.

Light Bulb Wrote:
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> Very, very good point. Odd how they're all
> beholden to this rich weirdo who demands no ROI.


I'd pay to hear the real story behind the Patron of Podcasts

Checky Wrote:
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> No way $30k was Don's biggest paycheck. That would
> mean he was making less than $800k a year at JFK.
> I think it's been determined he was making at
> least $2 mil in the D&M heyday.


Just another RELM Lie

Wow, that was pathetic, RELM.

You didn't directly answer anything.

Wait? Not! Wrote:
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> jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Don didn't have high speed internet, due to
> being
> > in the sticks, but a LTE hot spot gave Don the
> > connectivity.
>
> With almost complete certainty, I can say this is
> absolute, unadulterated bullshit. Don lives in an
> affluent suburb of Sacramento (Granite Bay, I
> think). It's about 15 minutes from downtown Sac.






I thought Don lived in Elk Grove. Perhaps he moved.
> It's not out in the fucking wilderness somewhere.
> No way would he not have high speed internet.
>
> I'm still waiting on my refund too. It must be in
> the mail.

Light Bulb Wrote:
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> You know LFF is watching this unfold while
> gleefully making his way through a trash bag of
> popcorn.


I'm sure it is with extra butter and extra coconut oil.

Yeah, me too, I'd like to hear the Kappy connection.

Looks like her dad was some kind of shipping / hotel guy in Hawaii. And Kappy appears to live in CA. Maybe she heard D&M on a SacTown radio station.

IIRC, TMOS podcast from day 1 has been from the Kappy Studios, so likely she was a fan before TMOS and TMOS podcast.

Did D&M do live appearances on the west coast back in those days?

no, it wasn't from day 1. it was later on, after a big donation to keep them afloat when they added that Kappy studios BS.

Kappy's father's obit

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2003/09/28/news/index3.html

Yeah, anyone stupid enough that thinks that Granite Bay (home to multiple Kings players, Eddie Murphy, people who make more money than god) doesn't have the best internet should start going to a day program for Downsy Kids.

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> Yeah, me too, I'd like to hear the Kappy
> connection.
>
> Looks like her dad was some kind of shipping /
> hotel guy in Hawaii. And Kappy appears to live in
> CA. Maybe she heard D&M on a SacTown radio
> station.
>
> IIRC, TMOS podcast from day 1 has been from the
> Kappy Studios, so likely she was a fan before TMOS
> and TMOS podcast.
>
> Did D&M do live appearances on the west coast back
> in those days?


I know her brother George turned her on to them(D&M), and yes, they did Sacto appearances back in the day...I think Kappy's original TMOS podcast appearance/involvement is coverered in the book, but fuck if I'll pay to read it...Ask Intractable Insobriety if he comes back....please come back

DialUpInternet Wrote:
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> Yeah, anyone stupid enough that thinks that
> Granite Bay (home to multiple Kings players, Eddie
> Murphy, people who make more money than god)
> doesn't have the best internet should start going
> to a day program for Downsy Kids.


Just another Lowell Lie....honestly, he is as bad as Marc

Eric Sogard Wrote:
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>
> I thought Don lived in Elk Grove. Perhaps he
> moved.

A couple people said Elk Grove, and that might be right. I could've sworn he has said he lives on or near Folsom Lake. Even if it's Elk Grove, he's not getting his internet via soup can and string.

The Elk Grove thing was a goof. Regardless, Elk Grove probably has better internet than G B. Apple has a site in EG.

If Michael J Elston wasn't surprised Don would turn on him(as he said), why did he initiate the offer for Don to join RELM? More pathetic doubletalk

peekza Wrote:
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> jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah, me too, I'd like to hear the Kappy
> > connection.
> >
> > Looks like her dad was some kind of shipping /
> > hotel guy in Hawaii. And Kappy appears to live
> in
> > CA. Maybe she heard D&M on a SacTown radio
> > station.
> >
> > IIRC, TMOS podcast from day 1 has been from the
> > Kappy Studios, so likely she was a fan before
> TMOS
> > and TMOS podcast.
> >
> > Did D&M do live appearances on the west coast
> back
> > in those days?
>
>
> I know her brother George turned her on to
> them(D&M), and yes, they did Sacto appearances
> back in the day...I think Kappy's original TMOS
> podcast appearance/involvement is coverered in the
> book, but fuck if I'll pay to read it...Ask
> Intractable Insobriety if he comes back....please
> come back

Geez, I don't post over the weekend while on a guided tour of high end Hawaiian watch boutiques with enzo and peek thinks I've gone the way of OaktonWhineShop...

Here's the Kappy quote from the soon-to-be-Booker-Prize-nominated Open Mike:

Re: The Mike O'Meara Show
Posted by: Intractable Insobriety ()
Date: June 07, 2014 10:54AM

Kappy, on her role:

"When it was clear that TMOS was going to start this podcast, I knew they would need capital. I approached them and said, 'Once advertisers and sponsors start coming in and you find premium products, you'll be flying. Until then, you need money.'... I gave them money anonymously, under a fake name. I had my accountant send them checks that didn't identify me. I had begun a Facebook friendship with them, and I didn't want to tarnish that with talk about money."

Regarding the whole DGS/ RELM debacle:

I believe RELM genuinely thinks they did their best (and I think they did their "best" too, for what it's worth) but I also think RELM is kinda half-assed, a fly-by-night operation, and so Don finally started realizing he had put his entire business in the hands of amateurs and thought, "Oh shit, I need to get the hell out of here!"

As much as I like DGS, and readily admit RELM bungled the whole thing, Don is most at fault for not doing his homework before going into business with them.

Side note: RELM touts having "18 shows on the 'network'" as some kind of feather in their cap. Um, 18 crappy homemade shows doesn't add to your credibility as a network or a business, it actually kinda hurts it this early in the game. They definitely value quantity over quality. They don't get it.

I am a RELM fan and a MandL fan, so this is not "hater slamming" of RELM. It's just an uninvolved third party view of the facts as presented by both sides.



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RELM'er4Lyfe Wrote:
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> The Elk Grove thing was a goof.

Just like his old A-frame in Bowie, huh?

Hollywood Wrote:
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> As much as I like DGS, and readily admit RELM
> bungled the whole thing, Don is most at fault for
> not doing his homework before going into business
> with them.

Not surprising -- he has a need to be on air above all else -- recall the crappy OC station(s) he signed on with after D&M. That lasted about as long as his RELM-ance.

And in that instance I believe he also blamed the station after the fact.

Intractable Insobriety Wrote:
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> Hollywood Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > As much as I like DGS, and readily admit RELM
> > bungled the whole thing, Don is most at fault
> for
> > not doing his homework before going into
> business
> > with them.
>
> Not surprising -- he has a need to be on air above
> all else -- recall the crappy OC station(s) he
> signed on with after D&M. That lasted about as
> long as his RELM-ance.

Not even sure why RELM would bother engaging with Don. Don's a mastermind who's made a career out of public struggles with authority figures. Unless RELM had clear, concise proof- basically an argument ender, they can't win. Maybe they think they're in the right and don't want their name soiled, or maybe just like a few more listens from Don fans, but otherwise there's no point.

And not only did they not have a trump card to play, they didnt have anything that I could tell. Would have been better off taking the boring old "high road" for real and not addressing it and moving on.

RELM sucks, TMOS sucks, don has lost his fastball. They're all just the morons sitting in their basements arguing with each other. Ironically the same exact people LFF hated when he first started the podcast. Now he is an Internet radio need, only about 35 years older which makes it even more pathetic.

At this point, the RELM / DGS feud is sorta interesting... but I'm past the point where I care who is at fault, I just would like to listen to what I originally paid for.

My patience is quickly running out on waiting for the DGS downloads / archives. Hell, you can't even listen online to any shows other than the first two (that boggles my mind more than the lack of downloads)...

What they've all done is make me not to ever want to pay for any podcast content again. Especially in advance.

Fool me once...



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EsteBAN Wrote:
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> At this point, the RELM / DGS feud is sorta
> interesting... but I'm past the point where I care
> who is at fault, I just would like to listen to
> what I originally paid for.
>
> My patience is quickly running out on waiting for
> the DGS downloads / archives. Hell, you can't even
> listen online to any shows other than the first
> two (that boggles my mind more than the lack of
> downloads)...
>
> What they've all done is make me not to ever want
> to pay for any podcast content again. Especially
> in advance.
>
> Fool me once...

Yeah, that's where I'm at, too. Plenty of great free podcasts. Wouldn't dream of giving one dime to RELM, or LFF, now. God bless Donnie G., and if I was going to pay, I'd pay him, but not while this clusterbleep is getting worked out. The "Kill Buzz" episode of the new podcast sounded like ass.

It was very early on. I thought it was some sort of inside joke, before I knew that there was a real benefactor by that name. Heck, if anyone was extremely financially secure perhaps they would financially support businesses and organizations that they've taken a liking too? I wonder if that ever happens?

Kappy seems like a delightful lady - no beef with her. I do have to hope that they are loans, whether low/no interest or not. Luckily Mike hasn't had a podcast charity fundraiser "try harder" moment in a long, long time. Those angry, begging for listener money episodes were upsetting. Circa 2010.

Blobb Spewsack Wrote:
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> no, it wasn't from day 1. it was later on, after a
> big donation to keep them afloat when they added
> that Kappy studios BS.

Intractable Insobriety Wrote:
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> peekza Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Yeah, me too, I'd like to hear the Kappy
> > > connection.
> > >
> > > Looks like her dad was some kind of shipping
> /
> > > hotel guy in Hawaii. And Kappy appears to
> live
> > in
> > > CA. Maybe she heard D&M on a SacTown radio
> > > station.
> > >
> > > IIRC, TMOS podcast from day 1 has been from
> the
> > > Kappy Studios, so likely she was a fan before
> > TMOS
> > > and TMOS podcast.
> > >
> > > Did D&M do live appearances on the west coast
> > back
> > > in those days?
> >
> >
> > I know her brother George turned her on to
> > them(D&M), and yes, they did Sacto appearances
> > back in the day...I think Kappy's original
> TMOS
> > podcast appearance/involvement is coverered in
> the
> > book, but fuck if I'll pay to read it...Ask
> > Intractable Insobriety if he comes
> back....please
> > come back
>
> Geez, I don't post over the weekend while on a
> guided tour of high end Hawaiian watch boutiques
> with enzo and peek thinks I've gone the way of
> OaktonWhineShop...
>
> Here's the Kappy quote from the
> soon-to-be-Booker-Prize-nominated Open Mike:
>
> Re: The Mike O'Meara Show
> Posted by: Intractable Insobriety ()
> Date: June 07, 2014 10:54AM
>
> Kappy, on her role:
>
> "When it was clear that TMOS was going to start
> this podcast, I knew they would need capital. I
> approached them and said, 'Once advertisers and
> sponsors start coming in and you find premium
> products, you'll be flying. Until then, you need
> money.'... I gave them money anonymously, under a
> fake name. I had my accountant send them checks
> that didn't identify me. I had begun a Facebook
> friendship with them, and I didn't want to tarnish
> that with talk about money."


Thank you for the recap IntIns....Did you get a nice watch?

Don's twitter feed is interesting

https://twitter.com/DonGeronimoShow

Fan since 106.7 Wrote:
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> It was very early on. I thought it was some sort
> of inside joke, before I knew that there was a
> real benefactor by that name. Heck, if anyone was
> extremely financially secure perhaps they would
> financially support businesses and organizations
> that they've taken a liking too? I wonder if that
> ever happens?
>
> Kappy seems like a delightful lady - no beef with
> her. I do have to hope that they are loans,
> whether low/no interest or not. Luckily Mike
> hasn't had a podcast charity fundraiser "try
> harder" moment in a long, long time. Those angry,
> begging for listener money episodes were
> upsetting. Circa 2010.
>
> Blobb Spewsack Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > no, it wasn't from day 1. it was later on, after
> a
> > big donation to keep them afloat when they
> added
> > that Kappy studios BS.


RELM has a donate button....ugggg

I love how they feel entitled to our subscription $...Proves what slimy grifters they are after all...They should feel bad about taking it, but no, they feel 100% justified in just taking the $ and letting Don provide the content...I would expect as much from Marc....But Michael J Elston has been exposed as a conniving huckster...Like the Monorail guy on the Simpsons

Had a couple days to think about this mess, here's my over-all opinion.

I think Buzz really did have good intentions and did want to give Geronimo the freedom he deserved. I DON'T think the RELM players had the experience, infrastructure, oversight, and integrity to pull it off. Geronimo's shtick is to be the aggressive, unpleasable screamer and when the wheels started coming off the bus Don did what Don does.

Kindly Old Buzz's shtick is to be above it all and passive aggressive. He took the Geronimo aggression personally and the two personality conflicts brought out the worst in each other until today.

When I say I don't trust Ronick or Meltzer I don't necessarily mean it in a trust/integrity way, I don't trust them to know how to make the right decisions with a big pile of money. No audits, no controls, no real accountability. They probably burned through it all. I bet they bought a bridge in New York.

TLDR: Geronimo is a whiny diva, should have known better. RELM is run by incompetent fools.



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They knew what they were getting when they brought Don in, why else have non-compete, non-disclose stipulations in the contract? They really showed the greed though when they let him out of those for the money. It must have been a decent amount though to be willing to put up with the crap they are getting. If it was just a matter of a few thousand I'd think anyone with a brain would let Don have it just to let him implode over how he can't talk about it.

Read this board every six months or so. It's amazing that all these players are still intertwined in each other's lives. But now they are fighting for scraps at the bottom of the heap.

It's over for all of them. Time to move on and get other jobs. Work in sales or something.

bubbyman Wrote:
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> They knew what they were getting when they brought
> Don in, why else have non-compete, non-disclose
> stipulations in the contract?

Or they didn't put any real thought into the contract and just copied what every other radio contract says.

> They really showed
> the greed though when they let him out of those
> for the money. It must have been a decent amount
> though to be willing to put up with the crap they
> are getting. If it was just a matter of a few
> thousand I'd think anyone with a brain would let
> Don have it just to let him implode over how he
> can't talk about it.

They spent it all and couldn't pay Don or refund the listeners if they wanted to. They're putting up with the crap and abuse they deserve because they have no other option.

my name goes here Wrote:
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> bubbyman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They knew what they were getting when they
> brought
> > Don in, why else have non-compete, non-disclose
> > stipulations in the contract?
>
> Or they didn't put any real thought into the
> contract and just copied what every other radio
> contract says.
>
> > They really showed
> > the greed though when they let him out of those
> > for the money. It must have been a decent
> amount
> > though to be willing to put up with the crap
> they
> > are getting. If it was just a matter of a few
> > thousand I'd think anyone with a brain would
> let
> > Don have it just to let him implode over how he
> > can't talk about it.
>
> They spent it all and couldn't pay Don or refund
> the listeners if they wanted to. They're putting
> up with the crap and abuse they deserve because
> they have no other option.

Yeah, the money's gone, or certainly spoken-for. That seems apparent. The pre-pays they got for the Donnie G. show is supporting the next several months of RELM. I'd be shocked if it was otherwise.

Y'know, I wouldn't be bragging about having 18 shows, RELM. 18 zeroes add up to zero.

Do we know the number of subs Don got under RELM?

Marc said something along the lines of RELM reaching $1M in revenue this year.

Part of the reason for no refunds could be that they sent Don a check for $750k (if the split was 75/25).

I wonder what the number of people asking for refunds is?

peekza Wrote:
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> Thank you for the recap IntIns....Did you get a
> nice watch?

I'll say.

(If that's a euphemism).

Listening to Sad Surprised Buzz and the boys on "A RELM Network Special Report."

My aside: how tone-deaf are these bozos to have ever used the imagery of Don being killed by a motor vehicle as part of their reason to hold money back? Might have well as told Don, "What happens if you quit, or are hit by an oncoming driver on an Eastern Shore highway?"

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> Do we know the number of subs Don got under RELM?
>
> Marc said something along the lines of RELM
> reaching $1M in revenue this year.
>
> Part of the reason for no refunds could be that
> they sent Don a check for $750k (if the split was
> 75/25).
>
> I wonder what the number of people asking for
> refunds is?

RELM overstated the Geronimo subscriptions when it was in their interest to inflate them. Now that it's working against them they're downplaying the numbers and saying they aren't that big. Today it's in Geronimo's interest to inflate his numbers, makes RELM look worse (if that's possible).

Don't believe what either of them have to say. I wish Geronimo luck, if he is doing half of the business he says he's doing he will be around to stay.

I still say six months from now Geronimo will get a gig in South Dakota and all you subscribers will get screwed again. Six-and-a-half months from now they will part ways and a whole new radio war will start again.

my name goes here Wrote:
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> bubbyman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > They knew what they were getting when they
> brought
> > Don in, why else have non-compete, non-disclose
> > stipulations in the contract?
>
> Or they didn't put any real thought into the
> contract and just copied what every other radio
> contract says.
>
> > They really showed
> > the greed though when they let him out of those
> > for the money. It must have been a decent
> amount
> > though to be willing to put up with the crap
> they
> > are getting. If it was just a matter of a few
> > thousand I'd think anyone with a brain would
> let
> > Don have it just to let him implode over how he
> > can't talk about it.
>
> They spent it all and couldn't pay Don or refund
> the listeners if they wanted to. They're putting
> up with the crap and abuse they deserve because
> they have no other option.

that is a bingo

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> Do we know the number of subs Don got under RELM?
>
> Marc said something along the lines of RELM
> reaching $1M in revenue this year.
>
> Part of the reason for no refunds could be that
> they sent Don a check for $750k (if the split was
> 75/25).
>
> I wonder what the number of people asking for
> refunds is?


what in the Hell are you talking about?

my name goes here Wrote:
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> jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Do we know the number of subs Don got under
> RELM?
> >
> > Marc said something along the lines of RELM
> > reaching $1M in revenue this year.
> >
> > Part of the reason for no refunds could be that
> > they sent Don a check for $750k (if the split
> was
> > 75/25).
> >
> > I wonder what the number of people asking for
> > refunds is?
>
> RELM overstated the Geronimo subscriptions when it
> was in their interest to inflate them. Now that
> it's working against them they're downplaying the
> numbers and saying they aren't that big. Today
> it's in Geronimo's interest to inflate his
> numbers, makes RELM look worse (if that's
> possible).
>
> Don't believe what either of them have to say. I
> wish Geronimo luck, if he is doing half of the
> business he says he's doing he will be around to
> stay.
>
> I still say six months from now Geronimo will get
> a gig in South Dakota and all you subscribers will
> get screwed again. Six-and-a-half months from now
> they will part ways and a whole new radio war will
> start again.

who's he go after next? U-Stream?

If Don got the lion's share of the subs in the first month, RELM could have cut him a check for his split of the $ (whatever the split was 75/25 or 80/20 or ...).

So, Don might have received a huge check, which would cover the statement RELM made about Don saying this was the biggest check he'd gotten.

Hence the $ could be all gone. Don has his giant split, which might be a reason he transferred the subs.

Kindly Old Buzz at end of ARNSR:

"We hate the fact that some of you feel caught in the middle. Don't feel that way. But we would like to enlist your support in a positive way. We believe the best way to fight...[dramatic pause]...hate...is with love. And if you could post positive things about RELM, share the link to this program, share links to our other programs, say positive things about RELM, if you would be so kind. Do not engage in debates with other people about who's right and who's wrong, or who's good and who's evil. There's no future in that, it just turns ugly. We prefer a positive approach. So, if you believe in what we're doing here at the RELM network, please join us in our...campaign of positivity, heh heh, moving forward..."

fade out to sounds of Tom Petty's "Time to Move On:"
It’s time to move on, time to get going
What lies ahead, I have no way of knowing
But under my feet, baby, grass is growing
It’s time to move on, it’s time to get going

Nice read, Elston. About as sincere as your TV voiceovers for second-rate local businesses.

jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> If Don got the lion's share of the subs in the
> first month, RELM could have cut him a check for
> his split of the $ (whatever the split was 75/25
> or 80/20 or ...).
>
> So, Don might have received a huge check, which
> would cover the statement RELM made about Don
> saying this was the biggest check he'd gotten.
>
> Hence the $ could be all gone. Don has his giant
> split, which might be a reason he transferred the
> subs.


that's all make believe

Intractable Insobriety Wrote:
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> Kindly Old Buzz at end of ARNSR:
>
> "We hate the fact that some of you feel caught in
> the middle. Don't feel that way. But we would like
> to enlist your support in a positive way.
> We believe the best way to fight...[dramatic
> pause]...hate...is with love. And if
> you could post positive things about RELM, share
> the link to this program, share links to our other
> programs, say positive things about RELM, if you
> would be so kind. Do not engage in debates with
> other people about who's right and who's wrong, or
> who's good and who's evil. There's no future in
> that, it just turns ugly. We prefer a positive
> approach. So, if you believe in what we're doing
> here at the RELM network, please join us in
> our...campaign of positivity, heh heh,
> moving forward..."
>
> fade out to sounds of Tom Petty's "Time to Move
> On:"
> It’s time to move on, time to get going
> What lies ahead, I have no way of knowing
> But under my feet, baby, grass is growing
> It’s time to move on, it’s time to get going
>
> Nice read, Elston. About as sincere as your TV
> voiceovers for second-rate local businesses.

I know right...you know he thinks they nailed it...

Yeah, I'm just trying to rectify: RELM's statement about what Don said about the check and Don honoring the RELM subs.

One idea is that Don has already been paid for those subs and doesn't really care.

Another idea is that Don is eating the old RELM's sub wrt his new thing.

I'd put more $ on the former idea over the latter.

Well, so much for the high road
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jhopkinsffxu Wrote:
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> Yeah, I'm just trying to rectify: RELM's statement
> about what Don said about the check and Don
> honoring the RELM subs.
>
> One idea is that Don has already been paid for
> those subs and doesn't really care.
>
> Another idea is that Don is eating the old RELM's
> sub wrt his new thing.
>
> I'd put more $ on the former idea over the latter.


RELM was misquoting when Lowell made the check comment.....Don said he was making more than he made at KHTK...Lowell lied...let it go

nicely put
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